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Anyone got a picture for Phantomhive? Like their family crest or something?
Lau Talk to me!! What I do 
01:24,10/10/2011
Nup, sorry. I might find it and try and upload it. --The Princess who Dwells Within the Darkness of Sin 02:07, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded a picture of the Phantomhive family crest :) --The Princess who Dwells Within the Darkness of Sin 07:24, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
Where's that from? I know I've seen it before, but I was never sure where it was from. SereneChaos 20:52, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
Awesome pic, Tsumi! And like Serene-chan asked, where did ya got it from? :)
Lau Talk to me!! What I do 03:13,10/11/2011
Lol I didn't get it from the manga or the anime. I was feeling a bit lazy so I just google imaged it and voila! xD --The Princess who Dwells Within the Darkness of Sin 05:44, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
Haha, who doesn't love Google~
Lau Talk to me!! What I do 02:53,10/12/2011
Francis, Elizabeth, and Edward... Midford?[]
I've checked every source I can find connecting Cloudia Phantomhive to Francis and Elizabeth Midford, as well as each source connecting Vincent Phantomhive to Francis and Elizabeth Midford. I have checked each source listed in reference to these connections through each of their character wikis and this Phantomhive wiki. The sources listed are: Chapter 14, Page 11; Chapter 85, Page 22; Chapter 103; Page 4. Chapter 14 is the only one that even mentions Francis. In Chapter 14, Francis is said to be married to Midford, and is Marchioness Midford (Middleford in early translations). She is referred to as Lady Francis. She is stated to be the late Earl Phantomhive (Vincent)'s sister. In Chapter 14, she is never referred to as Cloudia's child. She is never referred to as Cedric's child. She is never referred to as a Phantomhive. It is never mentioned that they share a mother or a father. She is only referred to as Vincent's sister. The latter sources, Chapter 85 and Chapter 103, don't even mention Francis in the entire two individual chapters. In Chapter 85, Ciel refers to Cloudia Phantomhive as his grandmother. That only confirms that Ciel's grandmother is Cloudia Phantomhive. It doesn't confirm that Francis is directly, biologically related to Cloudia. It doesn't confirm that Elizabeth is directly, biologically related to Cloudia. Vincent's dad (Ciel's grandfather) isn't mentioned yet. In Chapter 103, the German reapers look at Ciel's direct heritage family tree. Since it's his direct heritage, it wouldn't mention any aunts or uncles anyway since he wasn't directly descended from either of them. However, this means that this tree also has nothing to do with Francis. In the tree, it specifically shows the twins (the branch clearly splits off into different directions but that is unrelated) descending from Vincent Phantomhive, who is descended from Cloudia Phantomhive and Cedric K. Ros- (the rest of the grandfather's name is blocked by a speech bubble). It doesn't show if Cloudia and Cedric ever had any other children together, and it wouldn't if they did, but, again, it doesn't confirm anything about Francis and Elizabeth and their relation to Cloudia or Cedric. Francis is referred to as Ciel's aunt in a social, familial way. It never states if she's fully or partly biologically related to Ciel. The same goes for Elizabeth as Ciel's cousin. Francis might not be completely descended from both Cloudia and Cedric. We don't know (based on the sources cited on any of these wikis) whether Francis is descended from Cloudia, Cedric, or both. I don't know how to incorporate all of this into the family tree, but I suggest Francis' name in her wiki be changed from "Francis Phantomhive-Midford" to "Francis Midford" in the overview and so on. I also suggest that Cloudia Phantomhive and Cedric K. Ros- be removed from Francis and her descendent's (i.e., Elizabeth and Edward's) personal relationships section, as well as removing Francis and her children from Cloudia's wiki's personal relationships section. I also suggest that on this wiki, Francis be removed from Cloudia and Cedric's children in some way, while also making it clear that she is confirmed to be Vincent's sister relationally. If there is any such source that directly connects Francis/Elizabeth/Edward to Cloudia, Cedric, or both, said source should be cited instead of the ones that are currently cited. Apologies for the essay. Ratselknacker 28 Jan 2022, 07:04 (UTC)
(I'll simply put in my answer from Francis' talk page here too - in case, someone doesn't see it there.)
Hi Rätselknacker! Lass uns mal dieses Rätsel knacken, hm?
No, Vincent and Francis are full siblings! That info is in the Trivia section on Francis' page.
"Come to speak of it, I was asked whether Frances isn't blood-related (to Ciel) since she wasn't mentioned in Ciel's family tree that appeared (in the manga) a while ago, however, it was a family tree that featured 'Ciel's [direct] roots', that's why Frances, his aunt, wasn't mentioned. [Vincent and Frances] are real siblings. -Toboso" (Source, translation)
Vincent and Francis have the same parents, so Cloudia is Francis' mother and Elizabeth's and Edward's grandmother too! Francis was 100% born a Phantomhive and is 100% Cloudia and Cedric's daughter. In Chapter 151, Undertaker also calls Francis "Lady Francis Phantomhive." All that info is already on her page.
TerriaNight (talk) 11:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)