Since UT did love Claudia so much that makes me think that's him But we won't know ?
I wish yana would draw a flash back about them
Since UT did love Claudia so much that makes me think that's him But we won't know ?
I wish yana would draw a flash back about them
How could Undertaker become a reaper if he faked his death? If Cedric and Undertaker are the same person, then he must have had comitted suicide.
I don't think they'd be the same person, after all Cedric was Vincents and Francis's father so after Claudia died wouldn't they be wondering why Cedric/Undertaker doesn't age?
<divclass="quote">ScarletLycrois wrote:
<divclass="quote">Bassygamer101 wrote:
If the Undertaker was Cedric it could be that the Undertaker faked his death?</div>How could Undertaker become a reaper if he faked his death? If Cedric and Undertaker are the same person, then he must have had comitted suicide.
I don't think they'd be the same person, after all Cedric was Vincents and Francis's father so after Claudia died (Which I think was when Ciel and his brother were young?) wouldn't they be wondering why Cedric/Undertaker doesn't age?</div>
Cloudia died before the twins were even born - in 1866. And we don't know the life years of Cedric. There's no evidence he was "officially" alive after Cloudia's death. It could be that he faked his death when Vincent and Francis were still young so that they wouldn't notice that their father wasn't aging - if UT is Cedric. (This would mean that he "died" twice. The first time, he committed suicide and really died; the second time, he faked it to hide his immortality.)
after Claudia died (Which I think was when Ciel and his brother were young?)
Oh my god, people, did you read the manga?
In the quite latest chapter, Undertaker could be seen by the twin AND Pit the reporter photographer. Wait, I sort of forgot could other people see Undertaker before? But then again, he said he could not differentiate the twin. He seems to be just fascinated by the Phantomhives.
Yes, they can. Generally, Reapers can decide to be either invisible or visible. UT hid the fact that he was a Reaper until the Luxury Liner/Ship Voyage/Campania Arc.
Therefore, before he was ALWAYS visible to everyone.
When Ciel, Angelina, Sebastian, and Grelle visited him in the JTR/Red Butler Arc, he was visible to everyone.
At Angelina's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
At Sebastian's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
On the Campania, he was visible to everyone.
After the revelation that he is a Grim Reaper, he was, so far, always ever visible to everyone. At the Midnight Party, everyone could see him. Before, during the cricket tournament, everyone could see him. Even more before when the P4 had to hide their crimes, everyone could see him.
So far, if I am not mistaken, only the German Reapers, Sascha and Ludger, had turned themselves invisible.
Therefore, before he was ALWAYS visible to everyone.
When Ciel, Angelina, Sebastian, and Grelle visited him in the JTR/Red Butler Arc, he was visible to everyone.
At Angelina's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
At Sebastian's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
On the Campania, he was visible to everyone.
After the revelation that he is a Grim Reaper, he was, so far, always ever visible to everyone. At the Midnight Party, everyone could see him. Before, during the cricket tournament, everyone could see him. Even more before when the P4 had to hide their crimes, everyone could see him.
So far, if I am not mistaken, only the German Reapers, Sascha and Ludger, had turned themselves invisible.
I believe this 'power' is only availble to active reapers. Remember UT was removed from his post and he should even have his Death Scythe but he managed to sneak away with it. UT doesn't seem to share the same qualities as the other 'active' reapers such as short-sightedness so maybe he just simply can't turn invisible to people because his abilities was taken away. Just a theory though...
Therefore, before he was ALWAYS visible to everyone.
When Ciel, Angelina, Sebastian, and Grelle visited him in the JTR/Red Butler Arc, he was visible to everyone.
At Angelina's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
At Sebastian's funeral, he was visible to everyone.
On the Campania, he was visible to everyone.
After the revelation that he is a Grim Reaper, he was, so far, always ever visible to everyone. At the Midnight Party, everyone could see him. Before, during the cricket tournament, everyone could see him. Even more before when the P4 had to hide their crimes, everyone could see him.
So far, if I am not mistaken, only the German Reapers, Sascha and Ludger, had turned themselves invisible.
It would make sense. But I wonder if being invisible it's necessary for whatever he's up to
I considered it as well, the problem is that his death date also seemed to be written, along with his birthdate (wich is itself a problem, as we don't know how shinigamis are originated). Since Undertaker is a shinigami that would be a problem, how could he have died? But then I thought that since he is a deserter, other shinigami may think he died, he could have feigned it.
It would be interesting a love between Undertaker and Ciel's gran'. It would explain why he was with Vincent, and why he seems to worry about Ciel. Also, Undertaker said he had not been called "shinigami" for half a century... It could concur with Ciel's gran's life.
About the origins of Shinigami, within Black butler, when a person kills themselves they are sentenced to an eternity as a Shinigami reaping souls
Hey guys, first of all: sorry for my bad grammar, I'm from germany ^^ so my english is not as good as yours ^^
Are shinigamis even able to reproduce themselves? I mean they commited suicide, they have to serve their sentence. So why should they have the 'honor' of reproduce themselves and making babies?
Maybe UT is an ancestor of the Phantomhive family from long long time ago and Claudia was the first of his descendant he met and her hair was the last thing he could keep from her.
That's just an idea by me. But they said in the anime that he collected the soul of Robin Hood, who lived around 1100. So he has to be minimum 1.000 years old if I*m right. Ok, the anime is not the manga and they have some differences, but something tells me that UT is 'very old' in the manga, too.
Well, maybe they had really a relationship and since Vincent is her son, he carried of him too. Many men care for the children of their beloved woman, even if it's not his own child. But why doen't he care for Francis then? He never mentioned her in the manga somehow. He never went sicretely to her side to look after her or Elisabeth, who is also a decent of the Phantomhives. Hmm.