All posts by Yabucca

<div class="quote"><i>Platinoma wrote: <p><span style="font-style:italic;">Exactly the real Ciel has a soul as he has been RESUSCITED (already says it all) and the same is true for Dedrick and Johann (in fact Ciel also says in chapter 84 if I remember correctly he says that these were really ALIVE (moreover Othello was SURPRISED that Undertaker managed to resurrect).</span> Let's remember that each Shinighami has a different role, Undertaker (besides being powerful) he has the power to RECOVER the souls, when the real Ciel was killed, Undertaker recovered the soul and then returned it to his body (once that he saved his body in time) damaged which then in the course is cured but almost 100% in fact in chapter 148 or 149, the real Ciel says that his body was somehow "hunting" his soul and for to heal it needs more BLOOD, only in this way the body will be healed completely. And therefore, these are bizarre living dolls in all respects. </p> </i></div>
<p>Perhaps I should better explain what I meant by this thread. There is this idea floating around that, because he is clearly emotionally attached to Vincent and the Phantomhives, UT is attempting to revive and bring them back. This thread is meant to accentuate why (I think) this is not the case. </p><p>Yes, Ciel has returned, and I concede he is probably as resurrected as we will be seeing him. But there are still important factors being overlooked. For one, it has been mentioned by Othello I think, that UT is actually tampering with the very definition of what it means to be alive - meaning that, regardless of whether or not Ciel has his original soul back, the whole concept of a conjoined body and soul being equated to the state of living is losing weight thanks to UT's doing. Additionally - Ciel needs foreign blood as sustenance to operate. He is in no way fully functional on his own, which is very different from an independent, walking corpse. I believe this has more to do with Ciel being a temporary scapegoat than an actual returning member of the family from UT's perspective. </p><p>I can't upload it for some reason but this panel deceptively suggests UT was referring to Ciel when stating he did not want to lose any more Phantomhives, however I'm fairly certain he means Smile.
For starters, Smile is the only remaining Phantomhive still alive in the actual sense. He is also the only remaining family member capable of sustaining the family line UT holds so dear, but is currently threatened by a demon. Even more so, there's a compelling theory that Ciel committed the family murders , so UT would have absolutely no interest in saving him (if Ciel did it, UT would know because he got ahold of his body which stores the cinematic records, as was established previously). </p><p>A possible aim may be to trick Sebastian into consuming Ciel's soul yet again instead of Smile's, and since his contract is technically with "Ciel Phantomhive" it could possibly be a solution to Smile's threat. </p><p>In any case, what I mean to say is that UT likely isn't trying to reunite with Vincent primarily or any deceased Phantomhives, but is instead focusing on preserving the entire family line. This was simply in response to the idea that UT somehow can't control his feelings and is mad enough to try and bring Vincent, Claudia, or the locket people back. It would be in opposition to everything he's said so far, especially when you consider that his warnings focus on <i>preserving </i>what <i>can't be restored</i> (which, for him, is now the Phantomhive name and family itself, currently seriously at stake here). </p>

<p>I'd wager it's actually a small detail <i>Sebastian </i>hadn't considered. </p><p>I believe Season II of the anime may have foreshadowed a possible resolution to their contract. Not that ourCiel gets turned into a demon or anything (I truly think that was just fan service), but that, much like a game of chess, their conflict will end in a painful stalemate - at least for Sebastian. </p><p>I say this because Season II already hinted at 2 major events woven into the storyline: </p><p>a) the existence of ourCiel's unknown brother (Alois' tragic story is so identical that the 2 souls were merged together by Claude at one point, and instead of rejecting the assumingly false memory of a lost brother ourCiel is triggered by it </p><p>b) ourCiel having a false identity (Alois was also pretending to be the Earl's legitimate heir when he was in fact just a commoner from a village) </p><p>Notice a major theory is that realCiel was the one to cause the fall of Phantomhives. If this is true, then the person who did all this had died the moment Sebastian appeared, rendering ourCiel's wish and the contract invalid from the start. </p><p>This may well be how our protagonist ends up escaping his Faustian fate, and Sebastian either losing his dinner or being forced to serve his master indefinitely. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Platinoma wrote:
This species is actually divided into two let's say:
The first generation are actually empty moving containers (they were prototypes let's say)
The second generation, on the other hand, are LIVE BEINGS in all respects endowed with a soul obviously (as they are beings who REALLY returned to life). In fact "Ciel" when he loses the balance of his body he says: "My body is hunting me" (translated: the body is hunting his soul) this because his body is not completely healed and the soul of "Ciel "for the moment it is not in complete control.
This also applies to Johann Agares and Derrick.</i></div>
<p>I don't know whether the Dolls could be divided starkly into 2 categories or it's more of a spectrum, but I agree Ciel may well have a soul. If you recall, Sebastian said he's like no living corpse he'd ever seen before. Also, during the Luxury Liner Arc, Undertaker ripped open Sebastian's stomach with his death scythe. I believe he may well have retrieved Ciel's soul at that time, and somehow found a way to re-attach it to its corresponding body (remember that each human can only ever possess their own soul). </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Cielwolfdemon wrote:
I truly believe, as a Black Butler fan for many years, that Elizabeth will choose Astre("Ciel"), over our Ciel. </i></div>
<p>i think you're confused; </p><p>real!Ciel's name is "Ciel". that's why they call him real. </p><p>our!Ciel's name is theorised to be "Astre". our Ciel has been posing as his brother, pretending to be Ciel but he isn't really - meaning his name isn't "Ciel". </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Pachiubunni wrote:
Can't you tell the twins apart by Ciel's eye that held the covenant mark and his eye patch?</i></div>
<p>these events took place before the contract had been formed. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Pachiubunni wrote:
I would like to edit Mr Tanaka and Grell Sutcliff's pages as there are a few grammar issues. Such as Grell being referred to as 'their' rather than 'his' or 'he' and Tanaka using 'baritsu' rather than 'bartitsu'. In the manga, it says that Lau said bartitsu but the professsor misheard the pronounciation as baritsu.</i></div>
<div class="quote"><i>I posted that here because there were no comment areas under the pages. Personally I believe it is best to put commenting areas at the bottom of each page for the ease of edit requests and so forth.</i></div>
<p>although i agree with the idea of adding some kind of talk section under articles, i am not authorised to permit any of your suggestions. if you have any questions regarding edits, you should contact one of the administrators. </p>

<p>great, thanks for letting us know,  i went to check and it looks good to me! </p>

<p>ah, but there was no paper version? </p><p>to my understanding, their terms and conditions had been "set into" their contract seals. had there been an actual, physical contract, our!Ciel would have most likely had to sign - and our!Ciel goes by "Ciel Phantomhive" now. i doubt he would use his actual name right after declaring to be someone else from then on. </p>

<p>it happens to me too at times. sometimes, the link will just be highlighted, but sometimes it bugs out. </p> <div class="floatleft"></div>​​​​​​​

<div class="quote"><i>Aysha27 wrote:
even the Abberline is real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Abberline <p>and also jack the ripper too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper </p> </i></div>
<p>i'm pretty sure lots of people from Kuroshitsuji universe are either real, or based on real people. </p>

<p>no, not at all! ^^ i also enjoy discussing about the series<i>.</i> </p><p>well i personally am not fond of the idea, nor do i ever see it consensually happening considering Smile's past. as for Sebastian not taking his soul - i do have a few suspicions regarding Smile's potential actions. Sebastian seems to be somewhat of a hypocrite for calling humans greedy, yet wanting Smile's soul after having eaten Ciel's. i feel like his greediness will be his downfall, and Smile might find a way to once again serve him Ciel's soul instead of his own. although i see little to no motivation on Smile's side for doing so. he clearly has a sense of justice and seems to think he deserves his fate as punishment for whatever he may have done. the only way i see him doing this is if his old personality traits kick in and he instinctually tries to save himself once it's time to hand Sebastian his payment - once again minding no one in the process but his own skin. </p>

<p>no, i was talking about <i>Killing Stalking </i>as an example of unusual flavours of yaoi. </p><p>and believe me, not all of us are waiting for something to happen ^^; a lot of the fans, myself included, are not really into that. and honestly, at this point i'm kind of sure everyone will die - Smile being the last one to fall once Sebastian claims his soul. </p>

<p>ohh, i completely misunderstood you then! it doesn't have to be any specific genre though, look at Killing Stalking, it's a psychological thriller (<i>and a god damn horror show)</i> and heavy yaoi. people are even interpreting it as a love story. i suppose it may be..in its own sick, twisted right. </p>

<p>hah, you and me both! that would be nice, yeah. not sure how far ahead she is with the chapter creation vs publishing though, now that you mention it. </p>

<p>i am unable to link this standardly for some reason, so here's an admin's explanation --> http://kuroshitsuji.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:35524 </p>

<p>we are seriously beating a dead horse at this point, but the wiki has reached its verdict. </p>

<p>cause Sebby's a rootless, shameless bitch. </p>

<p>i doubt he could ever accept it in a resigned manner, especially judging by Doll's reaction....those people were his family. Smile of all people should be the last to expect a calm response from him should he find out (and i think he will, this is seemingly the point where every pawn turns against Smile). well everyone but Sebastian anyways. </p>

<p>thank you very much! ^-^ i just hope at least some of this will turn out correct, though...and i agree, they seem to be in this mess together. guess we'll see in the following chapters! </p>

<p>hi! i appreciate your kind words, thanks!^^ but first of all i'd just like to point out that this is an older post of mine so some of the ideas i've stated here may no longer be compatible with the actual storyline. having said that, </p><p>1 - i belive Ciel managed to survive the sacrifice <i>physically</i>, but appears dead in Smile's flashback simply because he is soulless, as Sebastian did indeed eat his soul. once he returned, he seemingly remained identical in appearance to Smile, meaning his body has aged (this was noted by Laura Shinigami ). this would make sense if Undertaker managed to retrieve and heal his body before the body ever actually died (most likely from blood loss). </p><p>2 - in my opinion, there may be a possibility that Undertaker retrieved Ciel's soul from Sebastian's stomach, much like Smile took the Phantomhive ring from Ciel. during CH61, UT stabbed Sebastian in the exact same spot where Ciel had been stabbed, while commenting how a human life is hard to drag out, which would further suggest that Ciel may have survived the event. in which case i imagine he would eventually manage to reattach the soul back into its correspondent body and Ciel would once again basically be a regular human with all his capacities. </p><p>3 & 4 - i have a theory that Smile had indeed been directly involved in the summoning of Sebastian, you can read it here. </p><p>with that having been said, i really should tidy up this particular thread a little, as some of these points no longer appear to be valid... </p>